Arsenal News: Holtby reveals Arsenal snub due to ‘insanely good’ AVB
Former Arsenal target Lewis Holtby has revealed that he snubbed Arsenal for North London rivals Tottenham Hotspur largely due to their Portugese manager Andre Villas Boas.
The revelation itself is somewhat odd, particularly when you factor in Villa Boas’ torrid time at Chelsea where he had reportedly couldn’t get the respect of key players and couldn’t get the results necessary despite having a very strong squad to choose from.
It could be argued however the he wasn’t really given free-rein at the club due to Roman Abramovich as he is now beginning to prove doubters wrong at his new club Tottenham.
Holtby is quoted as saying by the Mirror on why he chose Tottenham:
[Tottenham] are not a small club and have an insanely good manager.
More worrying for Arsenal is that the lure of Arsene Wenger and Arsenal seems to be fading. A few seasons ago young players such as Holtby would have leapt at the chance to join Arsenal with Wenger as their mentor.
In any case, the Frenchman has the chance to prove us wrong the January and has suggested that he may look into the transfer market with a very very busy January ahead. Here’s hoping we get a couple of quality signings!
What do you guys think? Is the lure of Wenger beginning to fade? Feel free to leave a comment below or discuss Wenger in the allArsenal.com forums.
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I’m still trying to figure out where he revealed that he snubbed Arsenal…
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Pretty obvious snub.
Holtby knew Arsenal, spurs and a number of other clubs were interested in him but he didn’t wait for an approach.
Had he been interested in any way he would have waited to review a number of offers, he had a month to play with after all.
Instead he signed for Spurs once they approached him, looks like a snub to me…
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Based on that logic, he also snubbed Man Utd, Chelsea, AC Milan, Inter, Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona, sas none of them made him an offer either.
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maybe it’s a long shot, but I’m guessing the logic behind the stories suggesting that Holtby snubbed Arsenal are based on the fact that Arsene Wenger openly stated that Holtby was a target of his…
I may be wrong, Arsene was probably looking at Huntelaar and saw someone else, we all know his eyesight isn’t the best.
COYS!!!
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Except he didn’t openly state that.
He just said that Arsenal scouts had looked at Holtby, just as the scouts of all those clubs I mentioned would have looked at Holtby…as that’s their job.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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How do we know Arsenal even offered him a contract?
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This is the first time that I visit this blog. The author seems to be a proper shit stirrer. I doubt that we even made him an offer.
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The original article in Bild mentions that he received two offers – one from Schalke and the other from Spurs.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Well, can we say he’s wrong?
He’s right to an extent. AVB won the league unbeaten at Porto and Spurs are ahead of us.
His buys and tactics have been better than Wenger’s this year. But then again, most managers are. Who would last 8 years at a big club without a trophy?
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Not yet, but as the A.K.B.’s say of Wenger -”Give him time.” The way he’s going, he’ll win more for them than our has-been excuse for a manager has. And he won’t need almost eight years to do it in, I’ll bet.
And don’t forget – Spurs have AMBITION, A.K.B.’s, we don’t. Be honest – comparing the two squads, who do you think has the better personnel and squad depth ? Oh, and guess what ? They’re NOT one of the mega rich clubs either!
If you saw our only world class and best player being sold to the team whose goals they are now profiting from, whilst re- signing an average ( at best ) Theo Walcott, what would you be thinking ?
No wonder “In Arsene we rust.”
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Well looking at the last 5 years Spurs have one trophy and arsenal have none. Good point amos
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Trophies in the last 5 years – arsenal 0 spurs 1 – ur living in the past Amos
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He was free…young…with 3 german caps and plays in centre mid…..of course wenger was interested….he even said he was interested himself the day before it hit the papers that he had agreed a deal with spurs. It’s a no brained really….even if he fails u can always sell him on for a profit. And we know arsenal love to make a profit don’t we
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The Spammers are so funny with their bitter little hatred. Azas is right, Whinger mentioned his interest just before he was presented with a fait accompli as Spurs had alread signed him. He is a highly rated player, with bags of experience for his age, and on a free. That doesn’t mean that the Goons made him a formal contractual offer, of course it doesn’t. Whatr it does mean is that he was very aware that the Goons were interested and if he encouraged them in their interest they probably would firm it up with an offer. In that sense, whether that offer was made or not, he had a choice. In fact, he had the choice of several clubs – and he chose Spurs. Just like Vertonghen did – making the Goons scream that they weren’t interested, until proof ws provided that they were = they shut up, quick!
What is sad, really sad, is that there are plenty of Spurs fans, and suporters of other clubs, have no conpunction at all in stating that Arsene Whenger is (or, at least, was) an exceptional manager – but all the Goons can do is ridicule everyone and everything about Spurs even though it is more than apparent to the whole footballing World that the balance of power most defnitely has swung. Can’t even accept that Spurs have a good manager attracting players like Holtby, who are actively preferring White over Red in North London.
Now for TW ;-/
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That should, of course, read ‘Scummers’ and not ‘Spammers’
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We only finished above them last season largely due to Van Persie’s goals and assists. No-one else was scoring – remember ? He left us because he wanted to win things, which he couldn’t see us doing. Was he right ? Hmmm, that’s a hard one, isn’t it ?
“In Arsene we rust.”
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Like your p*nis no doubt……I was waiting for someone like u to come along….mr I still live in the Henry days
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Your right ross…..shall we start supporting a ballet team in north London and playing the recorder…..pansy
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Er…how can it be ‘pot.kettle.black’ when I have specifically referenced how highly I rated what Obscene and what he had achieved? Logical FAIL = ROFL
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SP – Yes Spurs are on the up, and we’re in decline.The balance is changing, and it’s down to the incompetent way our club is being managed in comparison to them.The A.K.B.’s are so in love with ARSENE F.C. that they’re in denial, as usual. Like they are with most other aspects of the affairs at our club.
Those of us who can be objective in our assessments, don’t have any trouble in admitting this, much as we dislike it. A.K.B.’s have great difficulty discerning reality, and so choose to turn a blind eye.Accuse the Arsenal realists of being “Spuds in disguise”, if it makes you feel better. Won’t change the trend though.
Example ; This season is Wenger’s worst start in 30 years.This follows our worst start in 58 years last season. Last season we finished 19 points behind the champions.So far in 2012/13, we’re 18 points behind United, and it’s only AT THE HALF WAY MARK !.Shameful, but true.
“In Arsene we rust.”
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Can remember a couple of seasons ago, hearing Goons fans saying that absolutely needed a change of management (to put it mildly) and thinking they had lost their marbles. Now, I see what they mean.
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Calm down double we were just discussing the nature of the article….isn’t that what we are supposed to do in the comments section?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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I think the article is asking u if wengers influence on signing players is diminishing
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It’s asking that question based on the evidence from Holtby snubbing Arsenal for Spurs.
Unfortunately it makes one slight error, which invalidates the entire article.
In order for Holtby to snub Arsenal, they would have had to have made him an offer, however Holtby himself (in Bild, where the Mirror obtained their story) states that he only received one offer from England (i.e. Spurs).
The story of Arsenal’s interest in Holtby comes from a reply Wenger gave to a direct question he was asked about whether Arsenal had looked at Holtby (in the context of how Arsenal are looking at the German market). Wenger’s reply was, “We have looked at Holtby, yes. We played against him”.
Wenger did not infer that Arsenal were going to make an approach for Holtby, the press did that. In fact when the story first came out it seemed like an odd choice for the press to latch on to, as Holtby is the only type of player that Arsenal have an abundance of (Wilshere, Arteta, Cazorla, Ramsey and Rosicky, are all of a similar type).
So, as I said, there is nothing in this article worth discussing.
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It’s true there is nothing to suggest arsenal did make an offer………they showed interest as wenger stated publicly……whether an offer was made or not I guess u never know these days but I would be surprised if they didn’t……..yes u have cazorla and wilshere and arteta but they are your first teamers. Rosicky and Ramsey are not performing so why not make an offer for a free 22 year old with 3 german caps. U play 433 right? So u need at least 6 versatile central mid players….more than enough room for holtby. Spurs have dembele, sandro, Parker, huddlestone and the youngsters Livermore and Carroll. They actually have more players than arsenal right now who can play centre mid. As a result of holtby coming someone will leave but they essentially have upgraded on their weaker squad players…….so arsenal did have a motive to sign holtby of course they did and they probably did sound him out……..in directly no doubt
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@double i really like ur sense of awareness and analysis. Arsenal did not make official bid for HOLTBY so d whole story was an invention of d press pple using wenger opinion. If totspud like,let them buy ronaldo or messi. Let their manager be more madly a good manager, we are less concern. We can nt have every players,so its nt compulsory we have him. He is no LION MESSI.
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It has and I wouldn’t even blame Wenger (asides from not buying a midfielder to protect his defence). The last few windows has seen him beginning to appease Arsenal supporters by making big signings like Carzola, Arshavin, Gervinho, Santos, Rosicky, Podolski and Giroud. The emphasis is no longer on his own long term vision for the club. More the short sighted success that the fans demand. Holtby would have signed for Arsenal if the state of the squad and the gentle progression of youth talent to senior player was still intact. I’m not saying spurs are better here either, just spurs have over taken Arsenal in bringing through young talent in the last three seasons.
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I think as Arsenal fans we need to be honest with ourselves, Spurs are a much more progressive team than we are at the moment.
They have an amazing new training ground and their plans for a new stadium look impressive to.
If I was a young player with no emotions attached to either side I would choose tottenham at this moment.
Wenger is not a charming nor is he a particularly charismatic manager, the success of the team no longer speaks for him the inspiring figures have long gone and maybe its time for him to go to, yes he is forward thinking but the progression is slow and the majority of successful youngsters have been bought in to the academy instead of raised with the obvious exception of players such as Wiltshire and Gibbs.
In AVB spurs have a manager who clearly has a spark of genius- cut him some slack, you don’t win the Europa League and have an unbeaten season for nothing, he clearly has talent.
In Daniel Levy they have one of the shrewdest businessmen in the league and yes we can sit here and call him tight pocketed and whatever else, but our own owners have made some awful business decisions that have affected player recruitment and as a result the success of our club. As much as it pains me to say it taking a leaf out of our rivals book could get us back to where we should be.
I don’t expect this view to be popular because we have one of the most passionate supports in the world, but something clearly needs to change.
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I’m sorry to say that this rings true. There’s no guarantee AVB will ever get close to what AW has achieved. But right now I see one guy with an impressive grasp of tactics verses another struggling to use his free bus pass.
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Not only is he struggling to use the pass, he’s taken the bus that’s on the road to nowhere.
“In Arsene we rust.”
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Nice to see someone talk sense for once ….I agree with most of what ur saying apart from should wenger leave…..he is one of the best managers out there. The bottom line is will the board start giving wenger a big transfer budget and allow big player signings. Arsenal should be spending more bearing in mind how much money they make……I’m sure any arsenal fan would be overjoyed to see neymar on the back page of all the papers signing for 30 odd million squid……but it will never happen as long as u have a million board members. The sooner usmanov gains control the better
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Azas – You’re perpetuating the myth that the board are starving Wenger of transfer funds.And it’s a myth that should have been buried by now. There have been numerous public statements in the media from various board members, including the C.E.O. Ivan Gazidis,( more than once ) declaring that funds have been and ARE made available for Wenger to spend.This is a fact,even going all the way back to Danny Fiszman. A bit of research on the net will confirm this.
But Wenger simply likes to avoid spending big. He prefers buying second rate bargain basement players from the French league, or kids that his vain ego believes can turn them into superstars that he can get the credit for.Occasionally he buys the odd good player, more to placate the restless fans than because of the team’s needs.Wonder why we bought Cazorla ? Because Malaga needed the money urgently and had a fire sale.Under normal circumstances, we wouldn’t even look at him. But he was cheap, so….
Because our squad has no depth, Wenger plays him and Arteta constantly, which wears them out. Most of us who incidentally, are not paid 7 million a year, would agree that Podolski is better suited up front as a forward.What does Wenger do ? Plays him wide.Ramsey his favourite pet, always plays, and has shown he’s not good on the flanks. So what happens ? Guess.
“In Arsene we rust”.
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Spectrum, yes I do believe there is more to it than simply wenger chooses not to buy big players for big fees. It can’t be all down to wenger……..iv heard the press statements and I think gazidis is a snake. There must be more to it than that. I’m sure if the board said here is 100 million…..wenger would go and buy at least one player who is regarded as one of the best in their position
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I agree with Azas, although I am a Spurs fan I believe Wenger is an excellent manager especially with game tactics and bringing the younger players through the ranks.
It appears lately though (the past few seasons) his has wasted some transfer markets and this I believe has been seen by some of the better more senior players resulting in them leaving (RVP/Nasri).
I have no beef with Arsenal (although I do know the history). I enjoy the rivalry but not the hatred.
I think Holtby was needed more by the Gunners then Spurs but we are quickly building a very strong youthful team for the future.
It appears some of the gunner fans also feel the same way from what I read from other articles.
I believe he needs to move upstairs (Director of Football for eg) and a manager similar to Guardiola come in and take over. A fresh start….
But I will always want Spurs tow in and hopefully start beating Arsenal soon…I am still sooo angry with Adebayor…all the best for the New Year
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“I am a Spurs fan I believe Wenger is an excellent manager especially with game tactics.” – Sydney – be thankful you’re a Spurs fan, because you don’t know much about our club with a comment like that!
” In Arsene we rust.”
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Hi Spectrum,
I must say, being a spurs fan one acquires knowledge about Arsenal, like it or not. Although Arsenal have not had much trophy success in the last 8 years they have consistently been in the top four in the toughest league in the world. This is not achieved easily especially when one takes nto consideration all these points your fans are making about him buying second rate players and trying to turn them into something…
I do believe his best days are past him, but you can;t doubt his tactical game brain surely, but his buying of players…well Yes!
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Wengers day has long gone.
When was the last time we saw him change formation to respond to a dominant opponent or make an inspired substitution?
Don’t even tax your brain it was a long long time ago.
He doesn’t inspire players at the club or new talent to come to the club.
It was reported that he made a personal call to David Villa in an effort to persuade him to join the club. I think the best argument he could have made was “Come help us out and scrape a CL place and I will leave at the end of the season and let a good manager in.”
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I think he use of Walcott this season has been spot on….and cazorla was an excellent buy
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I wouldn’t even blame Wenger (asides from not buying a midfielder to protect his defence). The last few windows has seen him beginning to appease Arsenal supporters by making big signings like Carzola, Arshavin, Gervinho, Santos, Rosicky, Podolski and Giroud. The emphasis is no longer on his own long term vision for the club. More the short sighted success that the fans demand. Holtby would have signed for Arsenal if the state of the squad and the gentle progression of youth talent to senior player was still intact. I’m not saying spurs are better here either, just spurs have over taken Arsenal in bringing through young talent in the last three seasons.
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@ defected monkey
I remember when Arshavin was the talk of the town. Spurs wanted him badly but of course he chose Arsenal. I think in the short time since he joined the tide has turned and players now feel Spurs are a better long term opportunity for a number of different reasons pointed out earlier. New world class training facility, new stadium coming, well credentialled young manager, everything young…but we have got the mix right with more experienced players. I am still not sure of our playing style at the moment but we are winning, sometimes not pretty but still.
I still rate Wenger but you really need to have a new manager, buys like Pdolski and Girroud are not going to bring Arsenal back to their glory days, but having said that we have bought some ordinary buys as well, which proves the differences in the leagues, mainly the defence, I dont rate Adebayor but still we bought him…
I suppose at the end of the day, fresh face, fresh attitude…I really rate some of your young players, wilshere, Ox Jenkins, are really good players, so you have a good grounding for the future although I dont think Wenger is the person to do it these days…Sorry for being a Spurs fan but just trying to be objective…we have our faults too…
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Yeah I keep forgetting how good ur team is. Vertongen wouldn’t get in would he? Mertesacker and vermalen are so much better….or on the left Gibbs and santos……Gibbs is actually very good…but santos is amazing. Lol u make me laugh Peter……ur a very funny . It’s like ur living in the year 2005
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Even as a spurs fan I found that funny. But still thumbs down. ;]
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@Azas, responding to your earlier post.
I forgot Coquelin, but he is primarily a defensive midfielder. And Diaby, but he is primarily an injured midfielder. Plus Gnabry and Eisfeld, who are just breaking into the first team.
In our 4-3-3, Holtby would have to occupy one of the two forward midfield positions, which are currently occupied by Wilshere and Cazorla, with Ramsey and Rosicky as their back ups – Arteta, Diaby and Coquelin can also play there, so we effectively have 7 players that can fill those 2 spots (or 9 if you include Gnabry and Eisfeld).
We are short on defensive midfielders (hence the constant links with M’Vila, and every other midfielder who gets a nosebleed going past the halfway line), and in my opinion someone physical to play the ball-carrying role that Diaby is supposed to do (Fellaini would be my choice).
Holtby is a decent player, but the links with Arsenal always seemed a bit odd considering that where he plays is pretty much the only position where we have adequate cover for.
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I guess the question is do u think holtby is an improvement on rosicky or ramsey or coquelin? I also think the fact he is free changes things. There is hardly any risk involved. And wenger has made a career of signing people for peanuts….remember veira, petit, anelka….all signed for next to nothing. It would be logical for wenger to target a player like holtby…I’m not saying he made an offer I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised if wenger did try and sound him out via agents etc
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Unless he offloaded a midfielder, then I don’t see any room for someone like Holtby.
Judging from the players he’s looking to offload (Djourou, Chamack, Arshavin), it looks like Arsenal are interested in one defensive midfielder and one or two attackers. Maybe cover at left back if he can find some mug willing to take Santos, and perhaps a centreback if he doesn’t think Ignasi Miquel is ready to be promoted yet.
If Squillaci goes this January (doubtful), then most people are guessing he’ll bring in an experienced goalkeeper as cover/competition for Szczesny.
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I’m sure wenger would try and sign someone if he thinks they can improve on what he has…..so again the question is……would holtby be seen as an improvement on Ramsey….rosicky….coquelin? Can’t see wenger getting rid of Ramsey yet but rosicky,,,,,,he surely will be off in the summer. Wouldn’t u rather have holtby than rosicky?
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On current ability? Rosicky by a mile.
Bear in mind that I have only really seen Holtby when he played against us, but he looks like a decent player.
He’s fairly similar to Ramsey*; not as good at passing as Ramsey, but better going forward and less likely to give it away. I think they’re the same age, but Holtby is probably a season ahead of Ramsey in development – both have good potential, but you wouldn’t want them to be your main man in midfield yet.
*I know it isn’t fashionable for Arsenal fans to like Ramsey, but if he could cut out being turned over so often he has the makings of a good player.
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Get real, please ! It doesn’t matter WHO we sign. If they aren’t being coached and motivated properly, or played in their correct position e.t.c. you won’t get the best out of them. Hasn’t the last few seasons shown us that ? We all ( well, some of us ) got excited when we signed Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla. But have they made any REAL difference ? We still got off to our worst start under Wenger in 30 years, even WITH them ! So why would it be any different if we brought in anyone else ?
“In Arsene we rust.”
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Why does everything have to get personal?? Quite clearly we’re a team on the up where as arsenal are declining simply cos they aren’t good enough!! It’s fact not fiction avb might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he knows what he’s doing where as wenger at the moment doesn’t seem to have a clue!! I’m sorry but theo should never ever play as a striker he’s not good enough and the only reason he’s playing as one is cos some so called ar5ena1 legend is saying so. Wenger is a great manager in my opinion but never gets the backing financially rant over!!
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The best thing that could happen to arsenal is usmanov gaining 100% control……the guy is worth a bloody fortune….28th richest man in the world and he has got balls
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He may be rich, and he may even offer to buy Messi for Arsenal if he took control, but I would rather we merged with you lot than have him take over.
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Lol….why? Chelsea fans don’t seem to be to bothered
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Google ‘Usmanov Craig Murray’.
Craig Murray was the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan.
Not that I’d want a sugar daddy owner anyway, I prefer the way we have it now – a club based on the principles of a sound business model has far more chance of surviving in the long term, than a club based on the whims of a billionaire.
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” Sound business model”? Read this and you might change your mind…..
http://arsenaltruth.squarespace.com/arsenal-truth/2013/1/7/wengers-selfish-socialist-wage-structure.html
“In Arsene we rust.”
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Arsenal didnt even put in a bid where did he say he rejected our bid. Stop sensationalising stories! SMH
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It doesnt Brit . Bottom line is no one really knows if he did get an offer from arsenal or not as they guy is out of contract….u don’t need to bid….u just talk to his agent. But he does fit the wenger profile in terms of minimal risk and a lot of potential
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A bid from us was not necessary for the comment to have some validity. Ever heard of “reading between the lines” ? He’s hinting that he’d rather join a club that’s going places, with a manager capable of getting them there. Somewhat of a disguised backhander for our club.Remember we’ve traditionally been the more successful club over Spurs. But he’s seeing the shift in power developing, and wants to be on board as it happens.Wenger used to be the manager players wanted to work under, now it’s the new breed like A.V.B.
“In Arsene we rust.”
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@ double…..I googled it and yeah I wasn’t surprised by any of that. Anyone who come out of eastern Europe a billionaire usually involved dodgy dealings. I’m sure roman has a dark past aswell. But looking at it selfishly……this guy is looking to invest in the club with his own money. The one thing your board hasn’t done is reinvest cash through major signings. You made 36.6 million last year profit pre tax. Ticket prices are up…..even fish and chip prices have gone up. Surely u have to ask…where is all this money going?
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We know where the money is going, they are a publicly traded company and they publish their accounts.
It’s not really going anywhere, which is the gripe of many Arsenal fans – iirc there is just over £150m in cash reserves, not all of which is available for transfers, but Swiss Ramble estimates that about £70m could be.
Plus we have extra money coming in soon (now?) from our renewed shirt sponsors (£25m extra per season) and from 2014 our kit deal is up, so that should generate an extra £10m or so per season.
We know they don’t pay a dividend to shareholders, and haven’t done for 40 years, but we aren’t really sure what they are saving it for – maybe Messi
One theory is that Wenger will take a seat upstairs in 2014 (when all the renegotiated sponsorship deals are in place), and that any new manager that comes in will have a bucket load of cash to build the team how they want to – but nobody really knows.
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Time will tell ….but whatever it is they are saving for could cost them a champions league spot in the short term. Just seems a bit nuts that they don’t make at least one major signing each summer……and when I say major I mean someone like falcao or hummels…someone who is right at the top in their position
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A lot of it is being wasted on excessive wages. Paying unproven kids the same salary as experienced first teamers. See my link above.
“In Arsene we rust.”
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hahahahahahahahahaha holtby’s going to look great in the spurs shirt just like vertonghen doe’s coys!
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Amos he is free with 3 german caps and 22 years old. Captain of the german u21 ‘s . Again he is free. I’m sure he had more than a few options. Instead of being so bitter and paranoid about tottenham I thinks it’s time u realised that the tide is turning e
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” History is about repeating itself “.Certainly is. We’ve been seeing the same mistakes and incompetence for nearly eight years now.
“In Arsene we rust.”
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I cnt blieve arsenal hve nt signed a single player yet , whle stronger teams like chelsea ar reinforcing . WTF is wenger waiting 4 ?
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